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* Is there more to [Weiramon] than meets the eye? He seems like a bumbling fool, but his foolishness is mentioned in [The Path of Daggers] just a few too many times to suit me. (Submitted by Gary Kephart)
* [Season 2 Predictions]
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# enters a courtyard with a fountain. He detects traces of the
gateway [Rahvin] used and follows him into ''[Tel'aran'rhiod|Tar]''.
# enters a courtyard with a fountain. He detects traces of the gateway [Rahvin] used and follows him into %%ot [Tel'aran'rhiod]%%.
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The key to the location is that 3 and 7 are the same place. The [balefire|Weaves#b] was only used once before [Rahvin] and [Rand] entered %%ot [Tel'aran'rhiod|Tar]%%, so the damage noted by [Asmodean] must be the same as the first [balefire|Weaves#b] attack on [Rand]. This being the case, the courtyard with the fountain that [Rand] entered must be the same as the one [Asmodean] sat in just before he died. Now note the proximity of 2 and 8. [Asmodean] was killed a short distance from the place [Rand] found those two servants.
The key to the location is that 3 and 7 are the same place. The [balefire|Weaves#b] was only used once before [Rahvin] and [Rand] entered %%ot [Tel'aran'rhiod]%%, so the damage noted by [Asmodean] must be the same as the first [balefire|Weaves#b] attack on [Rand]. This being the case, the courtyard with the fountain that [Rand] entered must be the same as the one [Asmodean] sat in just before he died. Now note the proximity of 2 and 8. [Asmodean] was killed a short distance from the place [Rand] found those two servants.
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Conclusion: One or both of the servants killed [Asmodean]. Obviously, they were more than servants. One or two of the [Forsaken|organizations/forsaken] stopped by to watch the fun in disguise. After the fight, they hid in a convenient cubbyhole to wait for the dust to clear. [Asmodean] walked into their hiding place and had to pay. Why wait around for hours? Enough [One Power|Op] to open a gateway would be detected by [Rand] and/or [Aviendha] with unpleasant consequences. Better to wait until late at night when everyone is asleep.
Conclusion: One or both of the servants killed [Asmodean]. Obviously, they were more than servants. One or two of the [Forsaken|organizations/forsaken] stopped by to watch the fun in disguise. After the fight, they hid in a convenient cubbyhole to wait for the dust to clear. [Asmodean] walked into their hiding place and had to pay. Why wait around for hours? Enough [One Power] to open a gateway would be detected by [Rand] and/or [Aviendha] with unpleasant consequences. Better to wait until late at night when everyone is asleep.
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First, let's look at method since that is the easiest. Even though weakened, [Asmodean] still had about as much strength as a [Wise One|Aiel] [channeler|True Source]. Given his [Age of Legends|Aol] education, he should be a pretty formidable opponent against anyone but a strong [channeler|True Source]. Someone who could strike terror into [Asmodean] and kill him nearly instantly would almost certainly have to be [Forsaken]-level.
First, let's look at method since that is the easiest. Even though weakened, [Asmodean] still had about as much strength as a [Wise One|Aiel] [channeler|True Source]. Given his [Age of Legends] education, he should be a pretty formidable opponent against anyone but a strong [channeler|True Source]. Someone who could strike terror into [Asmodean] and kill him nearly instantly would almost certainly have to be [Forsaken]-level.
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Motive is surprisingly difficult to start. [Asmodean] was killed instantly and his body removed. Why? Over and over, the [Forsaken] have shown they are like cats. They love to play with and torment their victims even when it is a risk. For example, [Ba'alzamon|Ishamael] with [Rand], [Lanfear] with [Rand], [Moghedien] with [Nynaeve], [Be'lal|Belal] with [Rand], even [Lanfear] with [Asmodean]. The general motive "any [Forsaken] would kill [Asmodean] on sight" does not really hold up. There must be something more.
Motive is surprisingly difficult to start. [Asmodean] was killed instantly and his body removed. Why? Over and over, the [Forsaken] have shown they are like cats. They love to play with and torment their victims even when it is a risk. For example, [Ba'alzamon|Ishamael] with [Rand], [Lanfear] with [Rand], [Moghedien] with [Nynaeve], [Be'lal] with [Rand], even [Lanfear] with [Asmodean]. The general motive "any [Forsaken] would kill [Asmodean] on sight" does not really hold up. There must be something more.
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Means provides the real evidence and comes from a host of small coincidences at the end of [The Fires of Heaven]. First, we can use the rules of means and motive to eliminate most of the [Forsaken]. [Be'lal|Belal] and [Rahvin] were killed with [balefire|Weaves#b]. [Aginor] and [Balthamel] are not yet resurrected. [Demandred] and [Semirhage] have POV monologues in [LoC,Prologue] and [LoC,Ch6] wondering about [Asmodean]. [Moghedien] is collared. Eliminating these seven leaves five: [Graendal], [Ishamael], [Lanfear], [Mesaana], and [Sammael].
Means provides the real evidence and comes from a host of small coincidences at the end of [The Fires of Heaven]. First, we can use the rules of means and motive to eliminate most of the [Forsaken]. [Be'lal] and [Rahvin] were killed with [balefire|Weaves]. [Aginor] and [Balthamel] are not yet resurrected. [Demandred] and [Semirhage] have POV monologues in [LoC,Prologue] and [LoC,Ch6] wondering about [Asmodean]. [Moghedien] is collared. Eliminating these seven leaves five: [Graendal], [Ishamael], [Lanfear], [Mesaana], and [Sammael].
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Invoking the rules of means and Jordan's statements, [Ishamael], [Lanfear], and [Mesaana] can be eliminated. There is no evidence whatsoever that [Ishamael] or [Lanfear] were physically back at all, much less [Caemlyn], at the time of the murder. The earliest of the possible new [Ishamael]'s, [Shaidar Haran], is not even introduced till the day after the murder in the [LoC,Prologue]. After falling through the [twisted red doorway|Twisted Doorway], the only evidence that [Lanfear] is even alive is also in the [LoC,Prologue] where [Demandred] says that [Lanfear], [Asmodean], [Rahvin], and [Moghedien] are missing and the [Dark One|characters/s/shaitan] only acknowledges that [Asmodean] and [Rahvin] are dead. The appearance of [Cyndane] makes it all the more likely that [Lanfear] was dead at the time of the murder. Likewise, I eliminate [Mesaana] and other incarnations such as [Fain], [Shaidar Haran], [Moridin], The Previously Unknown Bad Guy in [Winter's Heart|Winters Heart], etc. since there is no evidence that they were in [Caemlyn] and no reason for them to be in [Caemlyn] at the time of the murder.
Invoking the rules of means and Jordan's statements, [Ishamael], [Lanfear], and [Mesaana] can be eliminated. There is no evidence whatsoever that [Ishamael] or [Lanfear] were physically back at all, much less [Caemlyn], at the time of the murder. The earliest of the possible new [Ishamael]'s, [Shaidar Haran], is not even introduced till the day after the murder in the [LoC,Prologue]. After falling through the [twisted red doorway|Twisted Red Doorway], the only evidence that [Lanfear] is even alive is also in the [LoC,Prologue] where [Demandred] says that [Lanfear], [Asmodean], [Rahvin], and [Moghedien] are missing and the [Dark One|ShaiTan] only acknowledges that [Asmodean] and [Rahvin] are dead. The appearance of [Cyndane] makes it all the more likely that [Lanfear] was dead at the time of the murder. Likewise, I eliminate [Mesaana] and other incarnations such as [Padan Fain], [Shaidar Haran], [Moridin], The Previously Unknown Bad Guy in [Winter's Heart|Winters Heart], etc. since there is no evidence that they were in [Caemlyn] and no reason for them to be in [Caemlyn] at the time of the murder.
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Also, we know that [Moghedien] kept track of this quartet. She listened in on their meetings in %%ot [Tel'aran'rhiod|Tar]%%. Also, from the [LoC,Prologue], we know she set up meetings with [Graendal] for the day of the killing and the day after.
Also, we know that [Moghedien] kept track of this quartet. She listened in on their meetings in %%ot [Tel'aran'rhiod]%%. Also, from the [LoC,Prologue], we know she set up meetings with [Graendal] for the day of the killing and the day after.
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Now let's carefully examine events just before the killing. It is clear that there is another high level spy with the [Aiel] who reported to one or more of the [Forsaken] during the night before the attack. [Rand] and his party show up in [Caemlyn] to find the streets deserted and the nearby houses and [Royal Palace] full of [Trollocs] and [Fade]s. They were already there waiting when [Rand] opened the skimming gate. When [Nynaeve] collars [Moghedien], she knows that [Rand] is on his way to [Caemlyn] and about when he will arrive. Finally, after a long absence, [Lanfear] arrives in [Cairhien|Country of Cairhien] to quiz [Rand] right when [Rand] is planning to leave.
Now let's carefully examine events just before the killing. It is clear that there is another high level spy with the [Aiel] who reported to one or more of the [Forsaken] during the night before the attack. [Rand] and his party show up in [Caemlyn] to find the streets deserted and the nearby houses and [Royal Palace] full of [Trollocs] and [Fade]s. They were already there waiting when [Rand] opened the skimming gate. When [Nynaeve] collars [Moghedien], she knows that [Rand] is on his way to [Caemlyn] and about when he will arrive. Finally, after a long absence, [Lanfear] arrives in [Cairhien|Cairhien (Country)] to quiz [Rand] right when [Rand] is planning to leave.
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So, which of the [Forsaken] knew of the pending attack? For sure we know of [Rahvin] since he had the counterattack ready, [Lanfear] since she arrived at [Cairhien|Country of Cairhien] so fortuitously, and [Moghedien] since she said so. Since [Moghedien] gets her info from listening to meetings of the four or possibly directly from [Graendal], it is very probable that both [Sammael] and [Graendal] also knew about it.
So, which of the [Forsaken] knew of the pending attack? For sure we know of [Rahvin] since he had the counterattack ready, [Lanfear] since she arrived at [Cairhien|Cairhien (Country)] so fortuitously, and [Moghedien] since she said so. Since [Moghedien] gets her info from listening to meetings of the four or possibly directly from [Graendal], it is very probable that both [Sammael] and [Graendal] also knew about it.
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Now let's look at more events. When [Rand] gates directly into the throne room [Rahvin] "started up in surprise." Why is he surprised? He knows [Rand] is attacking. He knows that [Trollocs] and [Fade]s and his lightning will take out some [Aiel] but are unlikely to get [Rand]. He knows [Rand] can [Travel|Weaves#t]. He did not expect [Rand] to reach him because [Sammael] and [Graendal] were supposed to intercept [Rand].
Now let's look at more events. When [Rand] gates directly into the throne room [Rahvin] "started up in surprise." Why is he surprised? He knows [Rand] is attacking. He knows that [Trollocs] and [Fade]s and his lightning will take out some [Aiel] but are unlikely to get [Rand]. He knows [Rand] can [Travel|Weaves]. He did not expect [Rand] to reach him because [Sammael] and [Graendal] were supposed to intercept [Rand].
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We have: It is quite plausible that [Sammael] and [Graendal] were in the [Caemlyn|geography/andor/caemlyn/index] palace. A couple of "servants" were hanging around where they had no business being. [Asmodean] was killed in a good hiding place, a servants passage, in the same hall.
We have: It is quite plausible that [Sammael] and [Graendal] were in the [Caemlyn] palace. A couple of "servants" were hanging around where they had no business being. [Asmodean] was killed in a good hiding place, a servants passage, in the same hall.
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